Why is God letting this church fall apart?

one of my friends goes to a church that just got a large donation to build some "family life center". it's pretty much a gymnasium with some sunday school rooms or some crap.

ever since this whole business started, the pastor has apparently been alienating most of the congregants. it's like that movie "Needful Things". half the church has left.

This is a pentecostal church. People don't think for themselves. The holy spirit does it for them. But apparently, the holy spirit is saying about 6 different things.


So.... aside from making his own religion look bad, what is God doing here?

Why you ask ?? ..
He doesn't exist ..
It's that simple..
It will become more apparent as we approach 2012...
Love and Light.. BB.. )O(

Maybe its called: separating the wheat from the chaff.

I don't think God is doing anything. What's happening is that a Pentecostal minister is alienating people, and people are leaving. What makes you think God is causing it to happen? We human beings make our own problems.

John 13:35

Why do i reply with a scripture from the bible ? Because that is how will someone undestand the followers of Jesus !

The Holy Spirit is not in it at all,

When the Holy Spirit is working people are convicted of sin and righteousness and people come to Christ for to be forgiven.

Everything that church is doing is being done in the power of the flesh and that is why it is falling apart.

I don't even know where to begin with this one.

The Bible also says, "Beware of false prophets." and "Not everyone who says, lord, lord, comes in my name."

Why do you think that God is responsible for what is happening? Why do you think that people in the pentecostal church don't think for themselves. "The holy spirit does it or them." What does that even mean?

Are you saying the holy spirit makes decisions in their daily lives? Maybe the church is not going well because it is not properly managed. Maybe the question should be: Is God letting this church fall apart?

Have you considered that its people who are the problem and not God?

Just a thought

If you check the book of "Acts of the Apostles", you'll see that the actual church is not like the primitive one... which, in my opinion, is the ideal one. The ecclesiastic organizations have become secular, and of course, have gone a stray. They are more mundane than holy... Hypocrisy is evident in most of them... that is why God is letting them collapse... They are just NO GOOD!

The bible says to test the spirit. There are alot of false spirits out there. If people don't abide in the truth, they end up with alot of weird things.

Then again, bear in mind that the spirit of God is non-possessive. That means, you are free to do what you want to do with your life, it won't force you. So, if you want to remain carnal, you will remain carnal.

Its one of these 2 cases.

The church (not the one that you mention here) never falls apart because the church is not a building. It is a community of people who abides in the truth in the Spirit of God.

And if these people are not in the truth, they are not in the church. Its as simple as that. They're just people who get together in the name of a religion. Whatever, that means to them.


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The people are running the church, not God.

An institution that gets too bound up with 'Tradition' becomes sickly. I have an appel tree in my garden which I planted about twenty five years ago. As it grew over the years we had great crops of beautiful granny smith apples. However as the years went by and the tree got ever bigger- because of little prouning-the apples got smaller and what more it got sick with powdery mildew which was hard to get rid of. We decided to cut it back hard a year ago. Immediately the powdery mildew disappeared and a new lush healthy growth appeared this year but not many apples. Next year we expect a good crop of apples again.

The Christian Churches are experiencing huge attritions in their congregations in recent years and one of the main reasons in my opinion is that they are so trammeled by tradition that they are unable to make crutial changes in the way they present themselves in order to make sense to their the ordinary faithful. The churches are in the process of inploding. They need to get back to the essential Gospel in word and deed. If they manage to do that the 'sheep' may begin to recognise the call once more.

God allows the prouning back so that Christianity will regain its health and vigour again. If God cannot do it by hook He will do it by crook!!!! If the Institutions do not change from the inside what happens outside the insitutions will get the message across for the necessary changes that need to be introduced.

Peace

Psalm 127:1[kjv]Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

Kindly dont blame GOD for human mistakes.We have a free will and we can choose to decide GOD ways or our own ways.

John 3:16[kjv] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

so when we believe in JESUS we have eternal life.JESUS lived a sinless life and gave up his life as a sacrifice so we can be sin free. Ask JESUS to come into your heart and forgive ur sins and cleanse ur past with his blood.

With a simple prayer like above u can be saved.JESUS loves u and wants u to be saved.

A few things come to mind.
First, had God actually been getting the proper reverence there, He would NOT let it fall apart. It is easy to see that MAN is the force at work here, not God.
Nice point...the Holy Spirit does not contradict Himself either. 6 different things? Yep, and no one there has a brain to realize how fishy things are because all the discerning members left!

Unfortunately, among the pentecostal types, alot of junk goes on that's passed off as being legitimate that isn't.

A family life center, huh? I wish churches could be what they were meant to be.

They are not demonstrating a knowledge of the Bible or the things in it. True Christians are to have love among themselves. A spirit of unity in faith. Those taking the lead must be humble and put the needs of others ahead of his own wants.

This has not been done here.

Why blame the LORD for man's ignorance or greed? The problem in many cases is "the pastor" as there is no such office in scripture. The bible teaches us that there are to be "scripturally qualified" elders(plural) leading local, New Testament churches and that the only "Big I" is JESUS.

i am starting a religion based on hate...its about hating people that dont think the same as i do....and i think i will call it...christianity... DOH